>> joe biden is a fascinating guy. but as a conservative, i would say why not the life story of marco rubio. a great story, rags to riches kind of story. and that's really the point here. i think whether you're worried about the democratic primary or whether you're worried about media bias, which is always an issue, there does seem to be a little favoritism here. >> let's get to that real quick. is this basically an admission by a lot of folks in tv that hillary clinton is going to run? >> absolutely. >> because obviously that will make all these productions more successful, right? >> for every hook there has to be a timely media hook. that's the hook and that's the backdrop. but then i don't think hillary clinton is that fascinating. but her story includes bill clinton and barack obama, then it becomes quite fascinating when you tie in the fact that she is going to run. we all know she's going to run. >> marisa, you obviously cover hollywood. a lot of this suggests that politics is big business. what do you know about